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I think it was a lower budget attempt at the original Shadow Proclamation scene RTD planned for 'The Stolen Earth' with loads of aliens and Alonso Frame. This would've included an adult adipose, four metres high! Here's the concept RTD drew for it:

Yeah, I'd been hoping for a bit more explanation, too, but you gotta figure RTD and Moffat worked together at least a little bit on continuity, so maybe there's something there for Moffat to come back to at some point.

Speaking of which, what was everyone's interpretation of Rassilon's "weeping angels" comment (and the pose of the dissenters)? Did that mean that the weeping angels were really Time Lords...? I must admit it passed me by pretty quickly...

That's what I concluded.

Seeing as they're back next series, I think we've got an interesting story there.

Thanks, Lassarai.

Yes, I think it could be quite interesting (and how could Moffat resist bringing back his own wildly popular creatures?). Though if there were only two dissenters, and they got thrown back into the time lock, how did they become a whole race of living statues...?

I'm really looking forward to a whole new slew of stories.

The TARDIS explodes because the Doctor was holding in all the regenerative energy in at once. He was keeping it in, and then it all exploded. Like water pressure.

... That's a lot of fat. Where do they get it all from, does anyone know? I'd hate to think of the Adipose performing stealth-liposuctions on other worlds not covered by the Proclamation.

Speaking of the Shadow Proclamation, I hope we'll see more of them in the coming season. It'd be interesting to see what they get up to that does not involve trying to herd cats or moving the Doctor into being the vanguard of a war fleet.



I hope not. It'd be kind of sad. Besides, there's more than one species that can do tricks with temporal mechanics and such in the Whoniverse. Probably (hopefully) Rassilon was just making a comparison that bordered on the offensive; the Weeping Angels are rather predatory, whereas the two dissenters wanted to preserve life throughout the universe.

I'm hoping that I was reading to much into it. It could be that:

A) They were forced to take that position as an form of humiliation and punishment and that is all.

B) They, and perhaps other Time Lord criminals/prisoners thoughout the ages, were made into the creatures and went bonkers.

See, that's why I asked. The line went by so quickly, and I just couldn't quite figure out what was meant. Did he mean they were to become Weeping Angels? Did he mean they were to emulate Weeping Angels in their stance and forced "inability" to look at/be observed by any living creature?

Does anyone have the exact text of that line, or should I just go rewatch it?

"The vote is taken. Only two stand against and will stand as monument to their shame, the weeping angels of old."

Thanx. That is sufficiently ambiguous, innit?

I mentioned The Five Doctors earlier. It just occurred to me that something else from that episode might come into play here. I'm putting this behind spoiler blocks in case anyone hasn't seen 5 Docs:

Time Lord technology was able to turn Borusa and others seeking immortality into living statues. Maybe the Time Lords created the Weeping Angels in secret, as a way to dispose of malcontents. In which case the Doctor probably didn't know about their true origins.

Interesting theory! Now I'll have to go rewatch The Five Doctors...

Interesting thought about the immortals becoming weeping angels- but not quite sure how it would work out. I had just been thinking that when Rassilon returned in 'their hour of greatest need', he probably revived all the timelords he trapped in his coffin, as they'd be the wily minds he'd need to fight the Time War. I wondered if that was who the secret council was, then dismissed it. They'd be out for self preservation, but the woman he killed certainly had reached beyond that.

(To me his statement about the dissenters kneeling like the weeping angles of old is pretty clear that he demands they take the pose in their shame - and also while he considers them shameful, they are probably full of shame for the opposite reason, that their race has come to this. Nothing about converting them to actual weeping angels, who arent in fact shameful or weeping- just posing to strike. )

That has made the most sense to me, but I still have just that niggling doubt that there's some deeper connection. I mean, it's not that the weeping angels feel shame, but becoming one could be punishment for the "shameful" dissent. ... Or something. I'm not saying it's the most likely scenario, but I think the wording is just ambiguous enough that they could do something like that. *shrug*