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Oh, I'd love to think so. I don't entirely trust the writers, though. As Winnie-the-Pooh would say, you never can tell with bees. Except the Doctor doesn't know about Jenny, and I'd frankly be surprised if the Time Lords did, from inside the time lock... And do you mean that Susan would be the only one still alive at the beginning of the Time War?

One thing my hubby pointed out about the woman's appearance as we were discussing her possible identity (he had also originally assumed mother) was that although we have been culturally trained to assume a mother-son relationship due to their relative apparent ages, for Time Lords, that means precisely dick (to borrow from Men in Black).Wait, what? Ace?!? That's got to be from some non-canon source...

Yeah. Apparently Ace went to school to become a Time Lady or some such. I read it somewhere. I'm not too sure on that.

The writer in charge now is Steve Moffat. Really, you can trust him. The only thing he mucked up was Donna in Silence in the Library, he wrote her like Donna in Runaway Bride mode, instead of Donna who'd survived that - but I think that's a case of miscommunication - he wasnt aware of her growth and RTD, knowing Steve was next to be in charge, would never presume to correct him on character treatment. . . which while meant as a gesture of respect, resulted in him being the only writer not kept in the loop, it seems.

When I said there was only Susan and Jenny left from the Doctor's family, I meant from the series only the Doctor and Susan were alive at the start of the show, and "now", as much as there is a now, there's also Jenny alive. But any serious fan like Steve Moffat is going to count the rest as dead <g>
The Doctor doesnt have to know she's alive yet, because we do and that's all that counts <g> and she's not on Gallifrey so thank goodness the Timelords don't know about her.

As for my mentioning Ace on Gallifrey, it's wibbley wobbley canon. I've never seen a story written about it, but the show's planned character arc for Ace was for the Doctor to bring her to Gallifrey and use his influence (and mystery identity they kept hinting at) to get her into the Academy. The show went on hiatus before they got to that, but I always figured she spent a few years there in training. To my mind she would get sick of them sooner than the Doctor would and take off - not in a stolen tardis perhaps, but get herself a ship of some sort and make a living in space in some future time... but that's just how I like to think of her. The ending up on Gallifrey for a time, or a while, or forever, is semi-canon tho.

There we are then. I knew someone would speak up before I made an fool out of myself again.

I know it's Moffat in charge, but since he's only been lackey up till now I'm still not sure how much to trust him. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm still reserving judgment - the ol' once bitten, twice shy thing. *shrug*OK, I agree with you there. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page. Ah. Gotcha. I do recall reading/seeing something about that somewhere. That's a nicer way to think of the end to Ace's story than just the sudden cutoff the series ended up having. And I do so like Ace.

To my knowledge Susan was left on earth in The Dalek Invasion of Earth. What happened to her is unknown. More confusion is added when you count on the 4th regeneration setting the Daleks back 500 years by trapping by using explosives to seal them away. How did this affect the encounters the doctor already had. Did he alter the timeline of those events? As seen here on the official classic BBC site, http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/ ... ory1.shtml, there are two histories to the Daleks. Susan's fate as per canon is unknown to me.

Romana, She was left in e-space to my knowledge. According to Shanda and other books and Audios, she eventually became Lord High President. How this stands as canon is unknown to me.

Leela was left on Gallifrey by the 4th Doctor. Her fate in unknown but she did appear in the Gallifrey Big Audio Finish adventure. Unknow about canon status.

Ace was last seen in Survival and obviously left the Doctor at some point in unaired adventures. Fate unknown to me.

For my own curiosity, does anyone know of any audio, book, or other published works of Doctor who that are considered canon. What is the BBC's standing on these non-televised adventures?

As I understand it, only episodes aired on television count as "canon." Of course, that's probably up for debate, depending on the fan.

Thus, to the best of my knowledge, the canon fates of these companions are just where we last saw them on screen. I don't know about the BBC's views, but anything not strictly fan-based is at least sanctioned by them, for whatever that's worth...

I guess that may not actually answer your question...?

Before the show was revived, BBC said the audios were canon, but after the show was revived RTD said (and thus BBC said) that the show considers the previous TV show, and TV American Movie canon, and the rest was up for grabs. Obviously the stories that appealed the most can get written into the show (Human Nature, for example) and some things seem inevitable - so many stories had Romana as President and being corrupted by her battles against the Daleks, Rassilon reappearing and being far more corrupted than Romana, who was at least trying to do right, .. that sort of thing seems to bleed over into all the different formats.

I usually just use BBC's notes on various episodes as what happened, and the rest, as Moffat so eloquently put it, is all 'wibbley wobbley' ... or, well, interesting to think about, but by no means certain - but then when traveling with a timelord who can help history unfold in lots of different ways then it did before, what is?

My thoughts exactly. I keep thinking she might be the Doctor's wife. Either she somehow survived the revolt that lead the Doctor to leave Galifrey ages ago, or the Time War brought her back into existence (the line from the Councilwoman about living and dying and living again made me think that)

The Time War victims living and dying again weren't Gallifreyans, as far as the High Council woman's speech went- she said Gallifrey was on the edge of it -and we know they werent the type to leave home <g>, so she was talking of the various species that had no ability to fight the effects of time.

But I suppose we can't dismiss the wife idea so entirely (tho I still want to ) because they were resurrecting time lords that they thought would be useful warriors in the war, giving them new bodies and setting them loose - and that's how we got the Master all set in a new body that could regenerate again.
[ I just hope, much as I love Simms, that his new body can fully die and regenerate some day, because it seems such a waste to give the Master a new body with a new set of regenerations, and then destroy that ability after we only see one turn at it. He's just a fun character for the Doctor to fight.]

If the Doctor's wife was someone useful to the war, she could be brought back I suppose. And considering how psychic Susan was, I suppose her grandmother may have been that way too.

But the way the Doctor looked at Donna as Wilf asked who she was ... I can't shake the feeling it was Susan.

I'm curious M'reen - why do you assume the Doctor ever had a wife? Just because he said he was a father once.....

Well, the ep was good, if a bit cheesy.

I'm very dissapointed the Time Lords were so corrupt. I mean, I had thought Rassilon was power-hungry, but he's absoluty MAD in this. But, he's still out there, along with the Master and possibly other cunning Gallifreyan minds. They might try again.

Couldn't the Doctor just reinstate his presidency and fix the High Council?

Anyway, I loved Eleven's "Am I a GIRL!?" LOL

I think the lady is Susan. The Doctor's mother is a bit far-fetched of an idea, even if it does help to deny the goddamned half-human Looming theory.

I still say the Time Lords are coming back for good some day.

That's still stuck in my head, too. Somehow I'd be really surprised if we never saw them again...

First off this is a family show that started off in the 60s - it's fairly safe to say they didnt ever think "Doctor and his illegitimate child's daughter"- and certainly not now when he's talked about being married and being rubbish at his own weddings. So it's safe to say he had a wife -at least one- and likely more than one child (tho he only says "all their faces"), and all he had left when the show started with was his granddaughter Susan.

(I know there are those who think the particular line 'rubbish at weddings, especially my own' refers to his daydream marriage to Joan, but really, I think that's a case of looking for zebras instead of horses when they find hoof prints. He was talking about time travel's effect on his social skills and weddings, you are reaching to say somehow that made John Smith, the ordinary human, rubbish at his imaginary wedding. But if you need to, hey, reach away. I'm just not going to go there with you. )

OK, that argument I buy. Where did that comment crop up? I can't place it... This one I don't buy that at all (I'm with you)... Maybe he meant when he married Queen Elizabeth...?