Series 5/31: Speculation

Cleverest Name · **Posted:** Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:22 pm

In one of the trailers for this series, there's a picture of a little green reptilian-thing. I looked up "silurians" in the Who wiki, and the picture posted there is DEFINITIVELY not from the seventies. And it's been apparently confirmed... WHICH MEANS, Moffat lied about not bring old aliens back, WHICH MEANS there may be more returning in years to come

silentsz · **Joined:** Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:34 am **Posts:** 69

JustAWanderer wrote:

Cleverest Name wrote:

@ Mass: *sigh* not THEM again.

If it makes you feel any better, Doctor Who is not the only show to pull the "The bad guys are completely and totally annihilated, once and for -- whoops, there they are again!" routine.
The THIS network is showing reruns of Stargate SG-1 on Sunday nights. Last week, Apophis made his second comeback.

At least when they brought the Replicators back for Atlantis, they made it a completely different group of machines that we happened to be calling Replicators.

I still think that instead of bringing the Daleks back over and over, the new series should bring in other characters using captured Dalek technology.

As far as I have heard, Moffat has stated clearly he is tired of the Daleks and intends to do only one encounter to get them out of the way. After that they will not be seen for a long while. This suits me quite fine since I think they have been overused so far. Let them rest for a while and use them less often and no I con't care how many things get thrown at me. If you use them too often they become annoying.

mrfranklin · **Posted:** Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:15 pm

silentsz wrote:

As far as I have heard, Moffat has stated clearly he is tired of the Daleks and intends to do only one encounter to get them out of the way. After that they will not be seen for a long while. This suits me quite fine since I think they have been overused so far. Let them rest for a while and use them less often and no I con't care how many things get thrown at me. If you use them too often they become annoying.

YES! While they were certainly "iconic" in the Classic series, that was in the sense of "been with us since the beginning and keep cropping up at unexpected times to confound and frighten us." In NuWho, it's become in the sense of "shows up in a minimum of 2 episodes per series so as to become completely predictable." :shifty:

If there's only one episode of Series Fnarg that features the Daleks and they don't show up again for another 3 years, I'll be plenty happy. Couldn't happen to a nicer overused villain.

SecondHeartbeat · **Posted:** Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:12 pm

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YES! While they were certainly "iconic" in the Classic series, that was in the sense of "been with us since the beginning and keep cropping up at unexpected times to confound and frighten us." In NuWho, it's become in the sense of "shows up in a minimum of 2 episodes per series so as to become completely predictable."

If there's only one episode of Series Fnarg that features the Daleks and they don't show up again for another 3 years, I'll be plenty happy. Couldn't happen to a nicer overused villain.

silentsz wrote:

As far as I have heard, Moffat has stated clearly he is tired of the Daleks and intends to do only one encounter to get them out of the way. After that they will not be seen for a long while. This suits me quite fine since I think they have been overused so far. Let them rest for a while and use them less often and no I con't care how many things get thrown at me. If you use them too often they become annoying.

YES! While they were certainly "iconic" in the Classic series, that was in the sense of "been with us since the beginning and keep cropping up at unexpected times to confound and frighten us." In NuWho, it's become in the sense of "shows up in a minimum of 2 episodes per series so as to become completely predictable." :shifty:

If there's only one episode of Series Fnarg that features the Daleks and they don't show up again for another 3 years, I'll be plenty happy. Couldn't happen to a nicer overused villain.

Agreed. The Daleks and Cyberman just seem to be something the writers drag out of the "endless convenient survivors" bag whenever they have a plot but no monsters and cant bother to introduce new ones recently. Both can be so brilliant, but they've appeared so much in NewWho and consequentally been defeated so much that they've lost so much of their menace and the excitement that used to predate their returns. I'm not ecstastic about either being in Series Fnarg, though i can understand the need to keep somethings familiar with so many changes to the show. I agree 100% with mrfraklin though, as long as they give the Daleks and cybermen a break after this i will be happy.

The TARDIS Traveller · **Joined:** Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:24 pm **Posts:** 125

You're lucky Russell didn't bring back the daleks in The End of Time as well! Reading The Writer's Tale: The Final Chapter, there was an e-mail where he said to Benjamin Cook (the correspondent of the book, a DWM journalist) how good an idea he had of bringing back the daleks again in TEOT, where they had been working with the Time Lords. Like most of fandom would be, Cook was less than estatic, citing they had been overused and he'd already used them in all but one of his finales, and that they were losing they're impact, which made him think. The final nail was when Moffat told Davies he'd 'booked' the daleks for series fnarg, and it would be too small a gap between appearences. Just goes to show.

But for all the things RTD does sometimes, the book really showed a deeper character and the effort he put it into it, and we have a lot to thank for. In my opinion the good things outweigh the bad.

mrfranklin · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:29 pm

Sure. RTD did a lot of things right. I think one reason fans focus on what he did wrong is that we all love the show so much, the things that don't work stick in our proverbial craws.

SecondHeartbeat · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:15 pm

The fact that we critiscise so much is proof we love Who. Really it is!
Actually thats what i've always thought. If you ask someone how they thought Saturday's episode was and they just say good then alright they like the show. Or they say rubbish, they're not fussed about it.
But if you ask someone(like me

) and they can(if the situation demands it)launch into an explanation of how they loved this bit, hated that part because it betrayed canon or was OOC, was excited to see that old companion/alien coming back in the next time trailer but is vaguely nervous as to how he writers will handle it....
Then you have a genuine fan.
Also with RTD, love him or hate him he did bring our show back. :-)

mrfranklin · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:25 pm

SecondHeartbeat wrote:

Also with RTD, love him or hate him he did bring our show back. :-)

That he did! And for that, :hail:

imperialsword · **Joined:** Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:44 pm **Posts:** 14

mrfranklin wrote:

SecondHeartbeat wrote:

Also with RTD, love him or hate him he did bring our show back. :-)

That he did! And for that, :hail:

and ironicly i utterly hated him for big armies oh there dead now routine but after seeing GIANT flying eyeballs,power ranger daleks and who know what other things Moffat do with his fairy tale style NUwho i want RTD BACK :crybaby:

The TARDIS Traveller · **Joined:** Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:24 pm **Posts:** 125

I accept people are unhappy with the new daleks, but why must we assume that this one slip-up will mean the rest of the series will be the late eighties reborn? People, think positive! Moffat was responsible for some of the best stories ever and you've only seen THREE of series fnarg, only one of which was slightly questionable.

mrfranklin · **Posted:** Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:12 pm

The TARDIS Traveller wrote:

I accept people are unhappy with the new daleks, but why must we assume that this one slip-up will mean the rest of the series will be the late eighties reborn? People, think positive! Moffat was responsible for some of the best stories ever and you've only seen THREE of series fnarg, only one of which was slightly questionable.

Well sure - you're absolutely right. I, for one, am still hopeful about Series Fnarg. True, I don't like the updated Daleks, and there are a few other things that haven't thrilled me either, but I'm still looking forward to more. After all, the trailers for next week indicate the combination of two of Moffat's previous hits: the Weeping Angels and River Song. It looks promising. I've actually been expecting this series to be a tad shaky, as the new production team gets their feet under them. :dontknow:

I do still find RTD's storytelling style - in general over the previous 4+ series - smoother than the overall style so far in Series Fnarg. That's admittedly an unfair comparison, with quite literally 20 times more stories aired under RTD to date. That's why I'm just waiting. Sure, I'm being vocal about what I don't like, but I've tried to point out the parts I love, too.

It's still a mixed bag, but it's also still early. My own philosophy: wait and see.

Jay042 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:29 am **Posts:** 53

This article brings up some rather interesting points about Amy's personal timeline. We know Moffat is really playing up the whole timey wimey elements, so maybe something else is going on here.

mrfranklin · **Posted:** Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:35 am

After episode 4, I can safely say my previously stated wait-and-see policy was a good decision. That's the good storytelling I've been waiting for!

Serosis · **Joined:** Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:13 am **Posts:** 33

Jay042 wrote:

This article brings up some rather interesting points about Amy's personal timeline. We know Moffat is really playing up the whole timey wimey elements, so maybe something else is going on here.

Now that article puts things in a bit more perspective.

Cleverest Name · **Posted:** Sat May 08, 2010 7:32 pm

Episode 7: I predict the the Toymaker

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