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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:15 pm 
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I'm probably overreacting but this statement from executive producer Piers Wenger made me spit my coffee all over my laptop.

"One of the qualities in Steven's writing, and one of Steven's natural tendencies as a writer, is to write these strange, dark, glittering fairy tales. We wanted to give the look of the series a slightly more storybook, fairy-tale feel - within reason... It wasn't about suddenly becoming Tim Burton, but it was finding a pinch of that, a pinch of Twilight,a pinch of Harry Potter - but it's still absolutely, slap-bang, mainstream Doctor Who."

I know he's probably just trying to attract the teen/tween market but really,a pinch of goddamm frigging twilight?! For Cthulhu's sake say it ain't so!

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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:20 am 
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Pretty much sounds like the Doctor Who we have had since 2005. And since Moffat wrote some of the best eps of the era, including Empty Child and Blink, I think most fans are comfortable with him always adding that touch of Harry Potter and Twilight. The right bit of creepiness, tenderness, dark and light that appeals to all ages.


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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:27 am 
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All I have to say is that the Doctor had better darn well not "sparkle."

Are you listening, Steven? No sparkling!

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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:50 am 
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I'd say the regeneration sequence, as it's been used so far, is all about sparkling. My only objection is that they use the same sfx for each one, and it really only seemed appropriate from 9 to 10.



Now the House Elf Doctor in 2007, that I could see raising a fuss about. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:46 am 
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Well Matt Smith described one episode as very 'Pan's Labyrinth-y', so given that's one of my favourite movies, I would be happy for Moffat to use a touch of del Toro in Who at the least! :D


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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:52 am 
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If M'reen's interpretation ("creepiness, tenderness, dark and light") is correct, I'm OK with it. Anything more than thematic similarities, though, and I'll be spittin' mad... :bah:

*nails No Sparkling Zone signs all over the control room of the TARDIS*



For the record, I'm also with M'reen on the inappropriateness of the shooting light regeneration mechanism in all post-Nine/Ten regenerations. It didn't fit.

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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:00 pm 
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M'reen wrote:
My only objection is that they use the same sfx for each one, and it really only seemed appropriate from 9 to 10.


What's wrong with consistent regeneration effects? I kinda liked it. Tho, it only works if the Time Lord is standing up...I thing 9->10 and 10->11 are the only times he WAS standing up upon regenerations (of the ones we've seen).

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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:55 am 
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What's wrong with consistent regeneration effects? I kinda liked it. Tho, it only works if the Time Lord is standing up...I thing 9->10 and 10->11 are the only times he WAS standing up upon regenerations (of the ones we've seen).
I think M'reen's point is that the glowing golden light made perfect sense when Nine had to discharge all of the energy of the Vortex from his body and become Ten.

However, that particular mechanism didn't match with the circumstances of any other regeneration since (the un-regeneration (Stolen Earth/Journey's End) where he in fact stood up specifically to facilitate the effect (unlike Classic regenerations); the Master (Utopia); Ten -> Eleven). None of those other regenerations involved death by infusion with glowing golden light, and so the fact that each one involved the same jets from arms and head doesn't make sense. In the Classic series, each regeneration is different according to the circumstances of death, so having it be consistent just clashes with that. *shrug*

I'm not saying it's not nice to have something for new-series-only fans to latch onto as a recognizable mechanism ("Ooh! He's regenerating!"), which I believe was RTD's reason for doing it that way, but it's just one more way the continuity between Classic and NuWho series doesn't quite mesh. ...at least, in my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:58 am 
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yup- summed it up nicely <g>

I mean the Doctor was holding the Master in his lap, begging him to regenerate - if they had to shoot golden energy from his limbs to do so, not only would the Doctor have been forced to regenerate as well from energy surges running thru him, but it probably would have killed quite a few people in the room and possibly have destroyed the airship as well. :?

If a bullet wound regeneration were something a bit more compact - perhaps the Master glows and then starts drastically and violently shape shifting -then it would make sense both within the entire series and in the scene.

Consistency of effect is not what regeneration is about - it's about random change, something unpredictable and chaotic taking over. Creating a new sfx - one that looks to destroy things around it - is interesting - suddenly forcing every regeneration in the show to use it is ... like wobbling sets and styrofoam villains. Something we have pretend not to notice to suspend disbelief.


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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:49 pm 
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Well, now that Steven's in charge, maybe we can expect something different for the Matt Smith/Niall Toibin* regeneration in 2012 or so.

*Just kidding. Imagine, though ...
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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:41 pm 
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The stories I watched that Moffat wrote were some of my favorite episodes, Blink being a very enjoyable story. I have high hopes for the new stroies with him in charge. I am also worried about what this new Doctor might be like but then again I can honestly say I do not dislike any of the actors.

The one big hope I have is to see the return of the Mondasian cybermen. While the Cybus created ones were enjoyable, I would really like to see the others return who have a long history with the doctor. I also hope to see other old foes reappear.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:45 pm 
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silentsz wrote:
I also hope to see other old foes reappear.
I'm with you 100% on that one! :) If only Moffat were taking requests...

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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:04 am 
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Huh, never thought of the energy he was releasing as being the vortex energy. Good show!

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 Post subject: Re: Fear for new series
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:24 am 
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silentsz wrote:
The one big hope I have is to see the return of the Mondasian cybermen. While the Cybus created ones were enjoyable, I would really like to see the others return who have a long history with the doctor. I also hope to see other old foes reappear.


That would be awesome to see but I can only see them using the standard New-Who Pete's World models.
Meaning they'll hand wave it saying that they "upgraded" and use the same standard model they have been using.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:20 pm 
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Serosis wrote:
That would be awesome to see but I can only see them using the standard New-Who Pete's World models.
Meaning they'll hand wave it saying that they "upgraded" and use the same standard model they have been using.


The new look of the Cybus industry cybermen does not bother me at all. Why would the mondasian cybermen not continue to upgrade and improve themselves and a change in the armor would not be unexpected. The Cybus industry cybermen had some aspects of the mondasian cybermen had. The early cybermen from the classic serial did shoot electricity from their hands during the Patrick Throughton era which was given a nod by RTD in the electric death touch of the cybus industry alternate reality version. The look of the heads is also a nod back to the Tenth Planet look over the later era look in the serial.


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