I missed a lot...
Um, where do I start?
I haven't seen the new Star Trek movie yet. I'm not really a Trekkie but the occasional movie just seems too epic to ignore. Plus I kinda like Patrick Stewart's Captain. And seeing anything from a really old movie/tv series remade faithfully for a new audience.
Anyway, it seems that what one lot of people like
about things is what the other lot hate, and vice versa. I've seen that a lot in fandoms and it's weird. I'd just nail it down to personality and what people tend to notice more as annoying over other things. For instance:
Beholder King wrote:
Oh, I LIKE Tenant fine! I just wish he'd tone down the slapstick a few notches. I like my Doctor cleverly witty, not circus-clownish.
As for me, I sort of prefer old Who, but that's because I've got tired of the way RTD has been handling it so far. It's just gotten a little too magical, what with overuse of Daleks and stuff (though I was glad to see Davros back) and David is the new Tom in terms of popularity. It's not cynicism for the fandom or anything, just that if things are way too popular and I don't really really
have reason to like them then I don't think they need my love and attention as well. That's just me and my philosophy and that.
Beholder King wrote:
Okay. Well, see, now here's another point where we simply disagree. The emotionless automaton, stomping around is more similar to its original concept. With one controlling intelligent one and the rest as simple drones, these Cybermen more closely resemble the official descriptions of the monsters than what they became in later Classic Who episodes. I agree that Lumis in his Dalek chair was an unfortunate choice. It does bother me that it too closely seems to follow the "Genesis of the Daleks". So, agreed. Bad origin, though the original Cyberman history does follow these basic lines. They were faithful to their origins for the most part.
When these new Cybermen showed up, I sighed with relief and said "FINALLY! Emotionless Cybermen!" and so far, they've avoided the whole idiotic gold alergy thing. These Cybermen are a lot stronger than their wheezing, top-heavy ancestors.
Here's a point where I disagree to your disagreeing. I don't think the new Cybermen (or Cybus-men) are really that in keeping with the original concept, which was having spare-part surgery victims, literally the walking dead
that we saw in Tenth Planet. It may be an episode from 1966 but it REALLY stands the test of time for me. I can just see
them coming at me down the hallway...
I kinda assumed in Earthshock and such that they are simply mocking Earthlings by being pompous and overpowering, and it makes them more dramatic. The script editor, Eric Saward said he had problems with emotionless creatures like Daleks and Cybermen because their dialogue is less satisfying. So the Cyberleader is supposedly "playing up" to the Doctor's use of emotions.
But in the end these are just two different takes on the same idea, and perhaps a Robo-Zombie Cyberman (even if it did get angry and stuff) may have been slagged off as a ripoff of the Borg if they tried making them in the new series. As it is, the Cybermen look terrific, if a little Robocop-ish. I liked the way their brains are showing on the Cybercontroller and on the Cyberleader in the Next Doctor. That sort of cross-section in the costume (like visible jaws, cloth masks instead of helmets etc) makes them more post-human and more 'real' to me. Plus just having living brains taken out and put inside a robot suit takes away the full horror that Cyber-conversion is supposed to be.
(In case you can't tell, I'm mad about Cybermen, in fact I'm not really that into Daleks by comparison)
Beholder King wrote:
Yet even without the gold weakness they are even easier pushovers for the Doctor and/or the Daleks than the old Cybermen at their weakest, in Silver Nemesis.
You think? The new Cybermen take a few hits on the armour before going down. The Daleks dropping them was a nod to superiority of the Daleks. In Nemesis, Ace takes them all out with a rubber band and a handful of gold coins.
Aw. Those Cybermen in Silver Nemesis were my favourite. So bling... No wait, I mean... well, that would have been weird, wouldn't it? What would they wear instead of gold? Anyway...
And I tend to allow things to get off-topic, since in my own thoughts there tend to be a lot of tangents. Having mentioned the Borg and Cybermen in one paragraph, I can sense one coming along now.