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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:36 am 
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True, which is why i did not take his popularity as an answer. But Jone would be a different question.
Well you can always think of someone as inferior and still find them attractive i guess but that would only improve her lot slightly if she finds her way to the Black Mountain.

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Being found attractive and also considered inferiour can be a very bad thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:23 pm 
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The worst, i am guessing. Anyway, since her arc interrupted Glon's arc and then we went back to him, we should expect her life to cross with his pretty soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:11 pm 
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I don't see Jone and Glon hooking up, really. I mean, it could be the lack of nutrition doing it, but she doesn't even look like she's hit puberty yet.

Come to think of it, they don't have a lot in common aside from the orc for a mom bit. They don't/didn't have the same level of hardship growing up... Glon didn't get a lot of overt discrimination - he thought his other half was elf for cryin' out loud. Most of that was on his own merits - ugly, dorky, kinda crude, smelled like horses, urges to murder small animals... (This is not to say that I dislike Glon, 'cause I love him to bits.) He had it pretty good compared to lil' Jone - steady employment, decent clothing... She's totally ostracized from her age group, her dress is like half actual dress and half patches, and... well, her situation just pretty much sucks.

I can see some plot interlock going on with them, though. Queen Bloodhand gets complaints about or from the White Eye family about the situation down there, possibly sends Glon out to get him away from the political arguments and/or give him some diplomacy practice...


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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:24 pm 
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While we're discussing half-orcs hooking up, I would like to take a moment here for an interesting sidebar -- that being, how much biodiversity and variation of traits we've seen between the two half-orcs in this world, and how very interesting this is to consider in context of social mores about ethnically-variagated children. (I use "varigated" to emphasize the "zone" nature of trait acquisition in the child, how some features come from mother, some father, some a mixture or "genetic compromise," not simply to toss around brobdnignagian linguistic cabers for sport.)

In most fantasy-world, RPG-esque fiction I've read, there is a certain uniformity of traits passed on to the generally-favored children of mixed ethnicity. Half-elves are, of course, the classic example of this -- human sturdiness and perhaps hirsuteness, yes, with elven eyes, cheekbones, jawline and of course ears. One half-elf looks as much like another half-elf as one human looks like another human, suggesting that the genes combine in a stable, recurring, and thus predictable way.

It is the benighted races, the so-accused "crimes against nature" and "unholy unions," where a much greater variegation of racial traits, and thus, a broader spectrum of possible combinations, tend to occur in our literature. I wonder if this isn't part of the reason why these unions, and their resulting children, aren't benighted in the first place -- the child's genetic code is unpredictable, making baselining "a healthy, normal child" much more difficult, and leading to curious and unforeseen interactions of genes which, some fear, will result in a "defective" child, one less than capable of survival, maturation, and assimilation into society.

There is racism, yes, certainly. There is humanocentrism. There is a kneejerk "our face good, their face bad!" instinct that the simpler folk of our story worlds exhibit. But I can't help but wonder if it isn't "evil," but rather, chaos that's to blame for some of the kneejerk aversion to children of multiple-race parentages. Chaos in the birthing process is a problem; it's something all concerned hope will go smoothly, predictably and without incident -- that is to say, most lawfully. Surprises in the birth, or in the child who is born, are seldom looked upon favorably by a society familiar with deaths in childbirth and horrible complications, in which procreation is a risky thing even with perfectly-compatible genetic structures. Think of how many stories speak of a "different child" ostracized by his or her peers, whose difference proves later to be a bllessing, and we can but agree this is a most common and downright universally accessible literary theme!

And so, while certainly some of the prejudice Glon and Jone weather through in their lives is due to the traits of one parent being considered aesthetically ugly to their single-stock peers, I wonder if part of Maula and Madame White Eye's burden comes from the wide range of trait combinations human and orcish DNA bring to the reproductive table, and the widely varied appearances of half-orcs. Predictable, constant features are baselineable, but a non-baselineable trait can only be a "defect." Thus, when orcs and humans look at them, they see "a near-human/near-orc with some ugly defects," rather than "a healthy, normal half-orc."

A shame, really. One wonders if elves look at half-elves and think "heavens, what awful birth defects that child has." Because the traits are predictable and generally aesthetically favorable to humans, they tend to look upon half-elves warmly, as being "blessed" with their elven parent's genes.

But then, Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic is nothing if not also a superb and eloquent love letter to the amazing biological diversity of the RPG-inspired fantasy world, and the many, many meanings of beauty as related to its many and widely diverse inhabitants. Indeed, I came here for the first time during a conversation with a lovely lady from Finland, when she pointed out Nike to me, during a discussion on the beauty of harpies, and my categorical disbelief on the matter prior to the referral.

How delightful it is to see through the eyes of a "god" so clearly and truly in love with everything he creates!

Ah, but I digress. Forgive me, oh Dungeon Master and Morgana; this seemed the necessary starting point for the exploration. Back to Jone, of course.


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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:00 pm 
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Jone + Glon = IMHO Disaster in the making.

M. White Eye + Glon = IMHO a romance that can go places.

I could be wrong but Jone seems too young for serious dating.


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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:14 pm 
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Most half-anythings in fiction seem to be a pretty even blend between the two sides. I can't remember the last time I saw a character who just almost totally took after one half only.

Love interests aside, I think what Jone really really needs is a friend.


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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:51 pm 
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rancort. im also a biologist... and i still have trouble figureing out what your trying to say XD


although i guess Glon dosent have those huge sharp teeth...


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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:02 pm 
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He does have a pretty big set if I remember correctly.

He's grinned a few times, and holy cow, big ole chompers.


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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:38 pm 
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Madar Foxfire wrote:
He does have a pretty big set if I remember correctly.

He's grinned a few times, and holy cow, big ole chompers.




huh. well then. i stand corected.


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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:56 pm 
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Madar Foxfire wrote:
I don't see Jone and Glon hooking up, really. I mean, it could be the lack of nutrition doing it, but she doesn't even look like she's hit puberty yet.

Come to think of it, they don't have a lot in common aside from the orc for a mom bit. They don't/didn't have the same level of hardship growing up... Glon didn't get a lot of overt discrimination - he thought his other half was elf for cryin' out loud. Most of that was on his own merits - ugly, dorky, kinda crude, smelled like horses, urges to murder small animals... (This is not to say that I dislike Glon, 'cause I love him to bits.) He had it pretty good compared to lil' Jone - steady employment, decent clothing... She's totally ostracized from her age group, her dress is like half actual dress and half patches, and... well, her situation just pretty much sucks.

I can see some plot interlock going on with them, though. Queen Bloodhand gets complaints about or from the White Eye family about the situation down there, possibly sends Glon out to get him away from the political arguments and/or give him some diplomacy practice...


Glon's whole belief that he was half elf was based fully on his pointed ears and idealistic fantasy. He had enough physical differences to clue in that he wasn't entirely human but his father at the time didn't fill in the blanks. Children left to fill in such blanks will often do so with a bit of wish fullfillment. Glon was reffered to as smelly and ugly so he wanted to pretend he came from something beautiful.

And we really don't know how much bullying Glon put up with or how much he was spared by Owen's subtle interferences.

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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:47 am 
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rancort. im also a biologist... and i still have trouble figureing out what your trying to say XD


although i guess Glon dosent have those huge sharp teeth...


Er, gosh, sorry about that. My point's more sociological than biological: I note that humans breeding with, say, elves, tend to produce children much more like one another than humans breeding with, say, orcs -- that one half-orc may have deep structural differences (jaw shape, brow shape, teeth, nose/mouth/muzzle structure) from another, in a way that, say, two half-elves pretty much never do, in my exposure at least. It's not unique to YAFGC; I notice other artists, other worlds, depicting them much the same way. I wonder if this doesn't fuel into the racism against orcs, and other such nonhuman people, who are at the low end of the human aesthetic totem pole. I just found it interesting to turn over.


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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:53 am 
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Well, half-elves do have a lot of variety but it's less obvious because humans and elves are pretty similar. Orcs and humans have a much greater difference in appearance so the varients are more obvious.

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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:27 am 
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Well, half-elves do have a lot of variety but it's less obvious because humans and elves are pretty similar. Orcs and humans have a much greater difference in appearance so the varients are more obvious.


Ah, so perhaps it's that the variegation of traits still results, in the end, in something so close visually to both parentages that the humans see "human, mostly" when they look at a half-elf. The sense of "other" flies, thus, under the radar.

Also, I'm getting wildly off topic, for which I apologize and will bow out so we can resume discussing Jone. *blush*


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 Post subject: Re: Jone
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:41 am 
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right. we must discuss jone! else the admins get mad at us :shifty:


so yes. jone. anyone got estimates on her age? we may also need an estimate on Gloan....


im guessing shes anywere between fourteen and seventeen.


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