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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:33 am 
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Dude, she's a slave, trying to escape would have been very bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:37 am 
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Beholder King wrote:
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Are we meant to be relieved that she belongs to Arachne now? I mean, ok, where there's life there's hope and I suppose it's better than the meat grinder...maybe...but it's Arachne...


You're not "meant" to feel anything for any of my characters. I create them because they interest me. They get into situations, they react, things happen. For the most part I'm not trying to provoke a particular emotion from readers ever.


I think I didn't come across properly. :oops: I didn't mean it quite the way you took it. Which is to say, an emotional response never actually occurred to me as I was writing that. Poor word choice on my part. This is more what I meant:

I'm not predisposed to seeing Arachne as 'Bith's rescuer as such. Sure, she's not being minced right now, but I think it's equally likely that we'll see 'Bith in a little tiny cage soon and possibly enduring more torture.


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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:45 am 
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Again, for my 2 cents :rolleyes: :

If we are to talk about who is 'more evil' among the drow characters introduced in this webcomic, I would say that Arachne is FAR more evil than Queenie.

After all, look at what she did to poor cClover, not to mention all the other nameless women she kept in her dungeon (seemingly just to have victims to torture, not because they committed some slight against her).

That being said, I don't feel too sorry for what's happening to the deposed Queen (maybe its because I don't know as much about her as Arachne, and maybe its because she's a Drow, and they're pretty much all evil S.O.B.s :P )

I kind of expected that she would be 'saved' by someone in the end, and it wouldn't get 'South Park' dark (as when Cartman fed a guy his parents ground up into chili :shock: ).

These past few strips are developing the ex-queen into a character I at least know better (if not particularly like anyway :happy: )


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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:46 am 
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timemonkey wrote:
Dude, she's a slave, trying to escape would have been very bad.

No, see, trying and failing to escape would be bad. Even then, when the alternative is being flayed alive and dropped in a meat grinder?

If she was hardcore enough to deserve to be Queen, in my opinion, then she needed to do something about it herself. But she didn't, so she doesn't.


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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:02 am 
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I doubt Arachne bought her as a plaything. She doesn't even have drow in her menagerie. This is a political move, and i hope we get to see more of it before we turn into another ark.

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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:11 am 
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It is obvious that Queenie's rule had become a chore for her. Drow power waxed and waned in the Black Mountain and I guess trying to stay on top a snarling, backstabbing pile of dark elves while at the same time having to deal with "lesser" creatures above you for decades or centuries, can suck out the motivation and pleasure in ruling...

... but you only appreciate the value of things when they have been taken away from you, do you not ? ; )

I think I will appreciate what comes next : )


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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:42 am 
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hs5ias wrote:
I'm not sure they are bandages. Skin pigment only exists in the top layer of skin. Skin damage leaves pink patches on a pigmented person. Drow are skilful with knives so the slaver may be able to remove the tattooed layer of the skin without having to flay off the entire skin. The layer underneath may be very sore but not bleeding heavily.

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If not for this plot event Queenie would have those tattoos forevermore, so I think this is an indication that she will be part of the story to come.

You've read my mind when writing these two statments, I'm sure :lol:

Morgana wrote:
I doubt Arachne bought her as a plaything.

To be honest, me too.
But myself, I doubt she did it out of pure humanistic feelings.
It may be (er... how to do a Past for the modal verbe "may"? :lol: ) an order from Lolth, who perhaps had her plans of using an uneffective queen?
Perhaps she intends to proveque somehow Char (="Kila")?
Or to use 'Bith later as a bait or as a... e... disposable weapon against her?

And if 'Bith won't be a queen again -- it's just for good, I think, both for herself and for all Black Mountain population (drow including) :mrgreen:

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Instead she just kind of glared and waited for someone to save her.

I think she didn't wait sombody to save her (after the auction, at least).
And during the auction she just waited to be bought.
She's a drow and she knows drow rules... I'd say she is totally Lawful -- seeing her behavior.

And I'd say in such circumstances she acted with commendable dignity...

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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:31 am 
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Tiki Snakes wrote:
timemonkey wrote:
Dude, she's a slave, trying to escape would have been very bad.

No, see, trying and failing to escape would be bad. Even then, when the alternative is being flayed alive and dropped in a meat grinder?

If she was hardcore enough to deserve to be Queen, in my opinion, then she needed to do something about it herself. But she didn't, so she doesn't.



Where were you expecting her to go? Even if she got away somehow she'd be an escaped slave with no allies and nowhere to flee to. Her goddess is the one that had her arrested and replaced, that's pretty much the worst thing that can happen to a drow. She couldn't even flee the mountain because she'd burn up in the sun.

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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:33 am 
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I wasn't really expecting anything. But there were plenty of possibilities she could have tried.

I don't remember other Drow in the strip having any major problems with leaving the mountain though, on the rare occaisions they have.

Also, the difference between an escaped slave and a free man is mostly psychological, really. The kind of snarling defiance Number 6 displayed would have been much more worthy of respect. His determination to live free or die trying is noticeably absent in Queenie.

I can see the lawful angle here, actually. Problem with that is, I thought drow were usually supposed to be of a Chaotic alignment? :happy:
I think she ended up exactly where she deserved today.


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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:34 am 
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Well...the little tiny cage was correct anyway. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:09 pm 
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Problem with that is, I thought drow were usually supposed to be of a Chaotic alignment?

If we're talking D&D, Drow are actually supposed to be neutral evil (in 3.5, at least; I don't know about the others). Sure, they love causing chaos, but they have a complex set of societal rules around which they strew their chaos.


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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:27 pm 
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Personally I am glad she was saved.

Being grinded into paste didn't seem like a nice fate.

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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:12 pm 
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Yeah, I'm glad she survived regardless. If nothing else, killing a character is so final.

And Re:Alignment - I don't usually pay any attention to it, but apparently you are right. in 3rd Ed they are Neutral Evil. Apparently they used to be Chaotic Evil before that, though, so I guess the real answer is that they are basically any Evil other than Lawful. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:15 pm 
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marger wrote:
It may be (er... how to do a Past for the modal verb "may"?) an order from Lolth, who perhaps had her plans of using an uneffective queen?


That would be "might", as in "It might have been an order from Lolth, who perhaps has her plans for using an ineffective queen?" I'm not sure the statement should be phrased as a question, as it feels clumsy and hesitant.

As towards the Great Alignment Debate, just allow me to point out that elves have always been listed as Chaotic, and their societies are depicted as so Lawful a Modron would tell them to loosen up.

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 Post subject: Re: Strip 2025: One More Interruption!
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:34 am 
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I dunno. Maybe it is the good part that makes them hesitant to break laws geared towards the common good? Their nature is chaotic enough that they are supposed to die in captivity, but in YAFGC this is not the case.

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