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Ah well, sounded like you were excusing RTD. My bad.

When relatively young, I saw a movie called Saturn 3. Told me everything I needed to know about evil endings.

Hem hem. We've gone from Movie to, um, Star Trek and Hitchhiker's? Right.

The first time I saw the Movie I was laughing and hooting and enjoying it. Then I read what others thought of it (campy Master, gothic TARDIS design, temporal orbit?!) and on second viewing was totally negative about it. Then I saw it a third time and thought it was awesome again.

There are about two things I didn't like:
* The temporal orbit. It appears they went back in time and made none of the day's events happen? Isn't that the biggest taboo in time travel fiction ever?
* No "shop window dummies". Not specifically Nestenes and Autons, but meant in the way that there was nothing nice and calm and everyday that suddenly turned sinister (of which the Autons are the top example). Further, there was no real invasion, which is what Doctor Who is more-or-less about.

The best thing in this movie is Paul McGann and his Eighth Doctor. He's so full of exuberance and enthusiasm, and is utterly gorgeous. (Possibly metrosexual? Must remember to investigate further.) It's in his character that you can see the inspiration for the new series, and indeed in the whole tone of the film. He's also gorgeous. His costume and appearance harks back to the earliest days of the programme, regarded by most (though not me) to be the least silly: no crickety-cricket stuff, no multicoloured coat, no over-the-top cream with a question-mark-shaped umbrella-handle. Did I also mention he's gorgeous?

Grace and Chang work well as "incidental" companions (ref: Sara Kingdom through to Astrid Peth) but if the series was ever picked up they could work as recurring characters (ref: the Brigadier through to Wilf Mott). The Master too I enjoyed watching - and perhaps in a subversion of the norm I preferred his campity (is that a word?) to his Terminator-like deadpan. And he gets most of the best lines ("You want me to kill you?" "I always dress [flounces] for the occasion." "This! Is! An ambulance!")

We also get a kind of "action" Doctor, as well as the kind of budget and production values to allow this to be portrayed. This Doctor rides bikes! This Doctor hangs off rooves using fire hoses!

The TARDIS design is really nice and sprawling (and reminiscent of the secondary console room from the Fourth Doctor's days). Again this beats the budget of the series, particularly the later McCoy seasons where the console was basically falling apart. Almost as though the Doctor knew this and fixed it in an elaborate way, foreshadowing his next incarnation.

Oh, and finally I want to mention the Dalek voices. They were on for like, two seconds! I'm not going to let that ruin a perfectly good movie.

The Eighth is my favourite Doctor. Please do not think me biased.

I watched it last night so I will post my thoughts on it while they are still fresh in my mind.

The Tardis Interior: At first I wasn't sure if I liked it. I was jarred by having a study in the middle of it, but the more I saw of it the more it grew on me. I thought it was beautiful.

The Romance: I know alot of people hate it but I haven't any sort of promlem with it. Given the time that it was filmed one must expect the show to be updated to reflect the times some sort of romance, I'm sorry to say, is almost expected these days. But I kind of like it, being the sappy romantic that I am. What's so bad about it?

The music: The background music was lovely. I loved the updated theme song. I didn't like the song on the record at the beginning nor the fact that Grace listened to music while operating. Wouldn't that be a bit distracting while preforming very delicate operations? An evil part if me thought of her "mistake" during the scope as attributing towards triggering the regeneration rather then the gunshots.

The Doctor: Rawr. Could you read me a bedtime story, Mister?

The acting: Some of it was pretty bad, but all in all, I'm not complaining. I've seen worse.

Half human: Huh? Ok, I admit this I didn't really like that much. It had no impact on the plot and frankly I didn't like it, but as I recall reading, there is a book. Perhaps it is explained there?
If not I'm sure that someone has a suitable explaination that would make me feel better.

Reversing the whatever: They just revived when they traveled back in time. Is this normal?

It had a few things that I didn't like, you can be sure about that, and I think my opinion was first colored a bit by so many people hating it, but once I relaxed I really started to enyoy it. So to me, my dear friends, the movie did not suck.

I don't know if you ever figured out a way to get your hands on a copy, but I'll tell you what I did. As I recall, you're in Australia, so your options might be slightly different than mine here in the US, but I bought both a region-free DVD player (for about US$40) and a copy of the Region 2 DVD from Amazon. It's the only thing I've ever used that player for, but totally worth the $40 to me.

...and now, for a slightly more in-depth post.

• Loved HHGttG in print; haven't seen the movie, and don't intend to, so no comment on that front.
• Enjoyed the new Trek movie for what it was; looking forward to more.
• Cybus Cybermen are creepy yet flawed, just like a lot of the baddies from both Classic and New; I like 'em.

As for the actual topic of the thread, the FOX movie had its ups and downs, but was overall a win.So, um... What do you do with someone like me who likes 'em both? I can see some of the flaws in both the Movie (by the end, Roberts' Master was over-the-top for my tastes; half-human comment is best ignored) and New Who (overuse of Daleks; everybody's got a catchphrase now; oy! with the Slitheen already). ...and I totally understand Sixislove's point about not caring for things that are wildly popular simply because they're wildly popular, too. (For example, I've sworn never ever ever to read The Hobbit because a childhood friend of mine kept pushing it on me (we were, like, eight) as the best book ever written.)

However, I find both the Movie and New Who (as well as Classic) thoroughly enjoyable. I like the romance angle. *ducks incoming rotten tomatoes* Sure, Eight's choice of paramour could have been better, but I'm willing to overlook it. Rose was my first companion, so I fell in love with the Doctor right along with her. I interpret his extreme attachment to her as the need to cling to the ones he has left, now that his home and his entire people have been (nominally) utterly destroyed (someone else already said that in this thread, but that's been my interpretation since I first started reading objections to her and their relationship).

So, yeah. There are flaws. But it's still good fun. ...and pretty much the best thing I can get on tv (although So You Think You Can Dance is pretty high up there ).

I like it too. And yes, Grace was ok, but following her to her being there for him when he regenerated. I honestly didn't see at *that* much cemistery between the two. Sure there was an attraction, but angels were not singing.

As for Rose. I like her, but I didn't find her as amazing as she was hyped to be, at least not from what I have seen of her. I agree with you on why the connection is there, though I feel that at some points I was beaten over the head with their relationship. I see her as being one of the first people for him to come into contact with after the time war. He felt the need to protect her. He became rather obsessive with that. She was in a rut in her life and saw him as a way to escape. It's not exactly the healthest way to go about it, but it happens.

Aratchigee: Yeah, I thought Chang Lee deserved at least a "Whatever happened to" story. I can see him as a member of the US branch of UNIT. Right up to the point of meeting the Master again. ("It's been a long time, Chang Lee." "Not long enough.")

Mr Franklin: That's the polar oppsite of a hater (or perhaps a hater with the polarity reversed? Haha.) I believe the phrase is "drinking the kool-aid." With that view, while wonderfully optimistic, tends to be prone of the criticism that you'll accept anything with the Doctor Who label attached. (Something that was thrown at me and other TVM defenders in the days, weeks and months after broadcast.)

*peeks from behind sofa* I didn't mean to start an arguement. I just wanted to post my opionion of the movie. Really.

Lassarai: Stop apologizing! Arguments are entirely acceptable here, and provide me with excellent entertainment.

How boring would life be if everyone had the same tastes in everything? Stand by your opinions, join in the fray and stay on topic.

Of course, once you stop disagreeing about ideas and start picking on the person behind them, I'll have to boot you lot down to "Why You Annoy Me" to keep this thread from getting too derailed.

Otherwise, go to!

Yes'um!

It leads to the accusation, I said. Not the actual fact of same. I myself was accused likewise.

And uh, sorry about the gender confusion thingie.

I have no idea what my reaction will be once I have seen all of the new series. I just started watching a few days ago, before then I had to *read* about it all. The squeally fangirls are starting to grate on me. The relationship with Rose is starting to grate on me. Is it me or does she seem rather fickle/jealous at least at first? Anyway like I said before I like romance, I just don't like being bashed over the head with it. I think maybe that I really need to watch more episodes, old and new series, in order to form a proper opinion.

So as I stand right now:

Movie was pretty good, acting not the greatest. Romance was fine by me, though there seemed a bot more interest on her part.

New series is ok so far. Getting tired of the fangirls/boys. Rose/Doctor seems rather forced. Feel like I am being strangled by the relationship. Help! Writing is either hit or miss. What was up with the end of The Last of the Timelords? Really.

Have no idea what happens first hand in the old series so there we are. Need to find a better way to watch then Youtube.

They very nicely avoiding explaining what the temporal orbit actually was - I was left with the impression that were circling the same few minutes over and over again, so that time was still in flux for the results, and they could fiddle with it.

And I dont think Grace and Chang revived due to the temporal orbit, but that the Tardis rather liked them and sent her time/energy into them to revive them, to make up for nearly killing everyone with it a bit ago. Perhaps a 'as long as time was in flux and all' gesture, if I did understand what they were going for. Or perhaps just a whim of a revitalized Eye of Harmony boost, like a caffeine jolt

But by not explaining it, it was really left up to the audience to guess at the flux effect, or whatever they wanted it to actually be, so that later the Doctor had the option of saying how he cant normally go back in time to save everyone - or even getting stuck in a sticky temporal orbit, with someone trying to flux some person or planet out of existence or whatever struck the writers fancy, as with no explanation, they couldnt be proved wrong yet <g>

As I type this, YouTube does have the TVM up again, in rougly 10 minute segments. I would post the link directly but am unsure if that would be a violation of the rules.

Yes, but the only one I found has a chunk missing from the middle and the end is missing, so...