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RTD does reuse some parts of the story. Once we have seen part two, I am certain that if we look at the entire run of the series from the restart to the last special, we will see clues that were dropped that foreshadowed these events. RTD obviously enjoys doing this in the writing and planning of the series as we have seen season after season. Does it bother me? No. Could it be done better? Perhaps but I am not a writer or producer of anything that could show a better way of doing the show. All I have is my opinion.

Did the Timelords ? It is a possibility but could they not have just hidden themselves away as well? They are old and powerful and I honestly hope they withdrew into a pocket of time of their own creation as opposed to changing into Humans.

As for the drums, they could be, as my roommate says, nothing more then the beating of the hearts of a Timelord.

I posted a link too a podcast that talks about the doctor who episodes here in this link that you may want to consider. They are discussing the doctor who stories in order from the Unearthly Child to the present so it will be a long time til they reach the current run. The last story they covered was The Underwater Menace.
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OK--Here is my theory.

(It may be totally wild speculation, but I do hope it has a chance of being partially what will happen.)

I think that the secret of where the Timelords are can be explained with what might be elegant simplicity? It hinges on the fact that Timelords can make things bigger on the inside than on the outside. Somewhere in something apparently small and innocuous (and very well shielded including that "I can't really notice you" technology) are the Timelords. Waiting and watching as always.

But where and how many and in what form? I would like to think that the whole of Galifrey has been hidden in an asteroid. Or is that too grand? Perhaps the citedel has been been sequestered somewhere? Perhaps all or part of the population went into some Timelord "bunker"? Or just the High Council?

Anyway--however many there are, and wherever they are, it is I believe somewhere that is bigger on the inside.

In "Army of Ghosts" / "Doomsday" the Timelords had imprisoned a great number of Daleks in an apparently small container. If they put time into creating such a prison for Daleks, I think it reasonable to assume they would have put some effort into creating a safe escape for themselves.

There have been ongoing occasional reminders over the past few years about "timelord technology"--making something bigger on the inside than on the outside.

Incidentally, I think that the Doctors sonic screwdriver has to be way bigger on the inside to incorporate the technology to do everything it does. (As opposed to other non-timelord sonic screwdrivers--eg "Parters in Crime"--which would likely be just sonic devices for opening and closing things?)

I wasn't trying to say it's bad when he does that. But he's already come back to that particular plot device the last time we saw the Master. I thought it would be more interesting if he threw in something new.

I also believe that RTD ties in a lot of things that he didn't originally plan to tie in. He's extremely skilled at it - don't get me wrong - but I'm not convinced that even he has that much foresight. Yeah, I thought I caught something about that in the teaser for Part 2. I guess I was just hoping it was something "more"...

Yes, thank you! I'd seen that when you first posted it, and have several of them waiting for me to get around to listening. The downside there is that I don't get to participate in the discussion, like here.

I think that's a pretty good theory. Clearly, they've either been hiding somewhere or had some way to trigger their regeneration/return. I like the pocket universe idea, though I'm more than willing to believe it's something else, too.

I like this idea. It would make sense in that Time Lords have 2 hearts, and instead of the normal 2 beat rhythm like a human heart, they would have a four-beat pattern...hmmmm!

I wasn't trying to say it's bad when he does that. But he's already come back to that particular plot device the last time we saw the Master. I thought it would be more interesting if he threw in something new.

I also believe that RTD ties in a lot of things that he didn't originally plan to tie in. He's extremely skilled at it - don't get me wrong - but I'm not convinced that even he has that much foresight.

It's not a matter of foresight so much as I think he had a plan ,or even a rough plan of were to go, and worked on where to take the story. When I an my D&D games I would do the same thing, plan out what the story/adventure was and where it was going.

I also want to say I am not irritated at how RTD has run things or am upset at the stories he brought us. I am still debating about the transition from serial to season. Was it the best choice or the natural progression? Am I just missing the old format to much? I need more time(no pun intended) to pass before I can more solidly answer that. The only thing I was disappointed with was Christopher Eccleston decided to leave after one season. Of course this leaves us the question of how long would he have gone and what direction the show would have taken if it would have changed at all.


They are looking for feedback in -mails or on the site or on the facebook group. Feel free to post any comments, I have done this. I also wouldn't mind having discussions about the series/serial here as well.

I have currently watched and listened to the classic series up to the underwater menace.

Thanks mrfranklin. Not long to find out what RTD has decided--which is usually something totally different from what I expect. All fun--looking forward to finding out.

Less than 4 hours till air time now. ...then I have to wait more! Living in the States can really get frustrating for the Who-addicted...

Looking forward to discussing Part 2 with everyone!

Lots of people seem to be expecting the black and white guardians to appear in part two. I admit i thought the same thing due to the mysterious woman in white but many dr who viewers nowadays would have no idea who the guardians are and RTD does like to keep things understandable for a mainstream audience so i'm not so sure.It would be great if they did turn up though.

True but he is also aware of the fan base from the classic run and the TV movie made. He has pulled things from the classic serial and using the Guardians would not be a surprise. The question we need to ask that is most important is this: Is RTD planning on topping the season 4 finale? If the answer is yes then there is a strong possibility of the Guardians being used, in my opinion.

Another thing to consider is how many of the new fans have gone and read up on the old series or even watched. Has RTD done a good enough job at drawing those new to the series into looking back at the classic run? I would hope he has or a great loss has occurred. He has taken some old elements of the series and woven them into the current run. More importantly, I don't think he has beaten new viewers over the head with the old series. He uses those pieces in such a way that it is not necessary to look back or risk losing something like missing an episode of Babylon 5 or Lost would. Knowing the Macra appeared in only one episode back in the Patrick Troughton era is not a necessary piece of information but perhaps he sparked an interest in some new viewer in looking to read that book or listen to that audio.

I would be very interested in knowing how many new fans that started watching the series, with Christopher Eccleston or David Tenant, have gone to take a look at the classic run of Doctor Who and do they like it as much as the new run.

I can speak as one of those fans. Nine (Eccleston) was my first Doctor, and Ten (Tennant) is "my" Doctor. However, once I caught up with NuWho (I only started watching it... hmmm... just under two years ago, I guess; The Unicorn and the Wasp was the first one I saw "real-time"), I had to go find everything I could from the classic series. Being the obsessive freak that I am I now have all but 2 of the episodes that have been released on DVD in my Region.

I have most definitely learned to love Classic Who, almost from the first instant. It takes a little time to get around the '60s effects and acting styles at first, but once you get in the groove, I can't see how anyone who is a fan of Nine or Ten can fail to be a fan of at least some of his previous incarnations. Among other things, it makes NuWho so much richer to watch. No, RTD never lost me with back-references, but as I rewatch them now with my new knowledge of the Doctor's history, they delight me even more.

Case in point: I have subjected my poor hubby to Classic Who as well. The first time he heard Four say, "well..." in that drawn out way that Tennant has adopted, he just laughed out loud at the connection.

So yes, I'd say RTD has found a fine balance between old and new, making NuWho accessible to everyone, but sparking interest in Classic Who and (from what I've seen), giving long-time fans plenty to latch onto as well. His writing decisions aren't all "perfect," but overall, I have to say I think he's done the franchise a service.

I know I'm hooked.

Personally I need more time and discussions about RTD's run with the series as well as watching and listening to the classic serial again. I have to make a note of this and see it for myself. This is the type of little thing that makes me so happy. I love how they acknowledge the past. I loved when the Doctor went to Pompeii and told Donna, "If they mention anything about a fire, I wasn't here." I know I probably mangled the actual line but I loved the little tie in to William Hartnell's Doctor in The Romans.

Tom Baker was the Doctor I grew up watching after seeing Peter Davison in Castrovalva one saturday on PBS in the states. While I can say he has a fond spot in my heart as the Doctor, I can not say which is my favorite since they are all really the same person. I was not upset like most fans about the idea of a big budget movie and then series, in fact I thought it was about time. While I love the low budget charm of the old series the big budget helps the story and opens up so much more. In fact, thanks to 'Dalek', we now know what those bumps on the Daleks can do.

For any fan of the show, I would again recommend the Cadmium2- The Podcast of Cult Britannia : http://cadmium2.wordpress.com/ and the facebook site of that group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10990030091
for reviews of the old series. Like them you should watch and listen to the episodes, as many as you can find, in the order they aired. It does give you a greater appreciation of how the serial developed and grew.

Things I have learned: Barbara and Ian were great companions and I miss them. The Doctor would have never become what he is now without their influence as this fans video tribute testifies to here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=e ... 6LA97klg4A
The Dalek's Masterplan was a much better story the I had thought it would be, excluding The Feast of Steven.
Steven was a great companion and it is a horrible shame that most of the episodes lost had him in them.
William Hartnell's farewell to Susan was a teary-eyed moment and very well done.
The first appearance of the Cybermen is chilling when you look at them. Sure they are not the classic image we see today but something far more grotesque. The socks over there face might see silly but think about the fact that this shows they are far more human at this stage then later Cybermen who are more machine.

I highly reccomend any fan to listen to their reviews and to watch and listen to the serial in the order it was aired, even the episodes you dislike.

I look forward to seeing Matt Smith and Moffat's run of the Doctor and hope someday we will see the Cybermen from his timeline, not the alternate reality version.

PS, I love this avatar image.

If you are interested in looking at the script for this ep, and quite a few others, it's in pdf format here:
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