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 Post subject: Re: Meegs' Apprentice
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:32 am 
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No, she'd probably demand a threesome as part of the atonement for Zara's error.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:24 am 
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I think that we still do not know Meegs well enough to assume what she would do.

Also, Zara got into bed with Lucas even though he was with Cadugan at that moment. Being discreet or even logical is probably not her best quality. It probably falls to the others to keep them apart until the spell is broken.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:17 pm 
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Also, Zara got into bed with Lucas even though he was with Cadugan at that moment. Being discreet or even logical is probably not her best quality.

They didn't realize she was even there until the morning. I think she was VERY discreet about it. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Meegs' Apprentice
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:27 pm 
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I never said it would stop her, just that there is absolutely no wiggle room and if she takes advantage of it there will be consequences. I don't think even Meegs would let that go lightly.

I'm not following you that far. Folklore is full of love potions and the like. The idea that such mental incapacity removes the ability to consent is a modern concept. Now, given the fact that this is being written in 2011, it's possible that Mr. Morris has decided that the characters should have 21st century western attitudes (and pretty enlightened ones at that) about things. But if they're thinking like Mediaeval or Renaissance people, the idea that Zara would be hauled out in irons for rape is pretty far out in left field.

(Of course, the idea that one marries for love was also pretty far out in left field until the last couple of centuries, so I'll concede that you could go either way. But the romanticism that people attach to love potions convinces me that you'd never get an indictment, even today.)

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 Post subject: Re: Meegs' Apprentice
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It is not a legal matter yet. Just a question of how ugly it is, given that she knows he is with Cadugan.

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I don't see why Zara would care. Infatuation is like that. Of course, if you don't see her as being really in love with Lucas, instead just being interested in a quick bang, she comes off as being a lot worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Meegs' Apprentice
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:52 pm 
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How could she be in love with a guy she's barely met and hasn't rewall been shown interacting with?

And considering Lucas is pretty far up the authority chain and she and Meegs may fall under his juristiction, all that really matters is how violated Lucas would feel.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:55 pm 
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Huh. I guess you weren't the crushing type in school. (Neither was I, for that matter.) But an infatuation doesn't need much time. It's like love at first sight, except for the fact that you grow out of it. And, given the fact that I've known a couple of women who've fallen in love with people they've never laid eyes on, just from interacting with them via telephone and e-mail, Zara falling hard and quickly doesn't strike me as the least bit strange.

And I guess I don't see Lucas as being as brittle as that. (Although I still think that Charlotte's potion is a grade-A dud.) I'm not sure that he'd feel violated at all. After all, he knows how Zara feels about him, and he still apologized to her. And given the fact that he can't bring himself to want to kill Charlotte, and she intended to screw him over, I can't see him having Zara's head on a pike.

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timemonkey wrote:
How could she be in love with a guy she's barely met and hasn't rewall been shown interacting with?

And considering Lucas is pretty far up the authority chain and she and Meegs may fall under his juristiction, all that really matters is how violated Lucas would feel.


Just to add what Lyger has said on the subject, Lucas is also a local hero figure, having been a key player in all the latest political crises in Elegrost lately. He's tall, good looking, charismatic (in his proper political element) and a perfect target for a young woman's infatuation.

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 Post subject: Re: Meegs' Apprentice
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:47 am 
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Rest in Peace, Zara. It's unfortunate that Lucas wasn't the man that you'd thought he'd be, but such is the nature of infatuation. He'll have you honored, of course, out of duty and a guilty conscience, so sleep easy on that score.

But it's kind of too bad. I was starting to get a real kick out of the kid. I think that she was the smartest of the lot of them save for Gummer and the possible exception of Cadugan. it's a shame that she doesn't rate high enough on the totem pole to be brought back at some point. However, it suppose it must be admitted that there are a few too many people to keep up with in this whole enterprise.

Oh, well. I still think she should have fallen for Glon, instead. I'm sure that he and Gadgia would have given her a roll in the hay before she became snack food.

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As her death shows, Zara currently was the highest person on the totem pole. Remember, lower to the ground means more visible, hence more important.

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As her death shows, Zara currently was the highest person on the totem pole. Remember, lower to the ground means more visible, hence more important.



LF, it that a gamer thing? As a fella just along for the YAFGC ride, with no gaming experience, if you could expand on your post a little, it would be appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Meegs' Apprentice
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:53 pm 
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Well, I thought that was hillarious. Probably wouldn't if she hadn't been so serious before but the way it played out I got a laugh. Not sure how I feel about her death though, assuming she's dead, I didn't like her enough to be sad and I didn't hate her enough to really enjoy it. She was just kinda there, sorta funny at times, sorta annoying at times.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:16 pm 
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No, Pappy, it's a Pacific Northwest tribes thing. The Kwakiutl, Haida, Tlingit and other tribes created totem poles featuring the images of clan ancestors, spirits, legends and histories, etc. The closest Anglo equivalent would be park statuary. This tradition has been the source of two major and many minor misrepresentations.

Missionaries tended to treat the poles as objects of devil worship, and urged their destruction by local converts (where they didn't try to burn them outright themselves). This wasn't very successful until the government got involved (one of the few times the Canadians made the U.S. look good, hard as that is to believe).

Secondly, the Anglo populace projected their own status motifs onto the poles, and assumed higher meant better. Which is just flat out wrong; lower is either better (in the case of poles showing status relationships) or more recent (in the case of historical or legendary subjects).

Hence, it is better to be lower on the totem pole.

Oh yeah, one of the minor misrepresentations is that totem poles are freestanding structures. Usually, they were carved into door or corner posts on a house.

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 Post subject: Re: Meegs' Apprentice
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:13 am 
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Lord_Fellgrin wrote:
Missionaries tended to treat the poles as objects of devil worship, and urged their destruction by local converts (where they didn't try to burn them outright themselves). This wasn't very successful until the government got involved (one of the few times the Canadians made the U.S. look good, hard as that is to believe).

Christian missionaries often come across as one of the most destructive forces in history. Their belief, dating back to the Middle Ages, that any religious practice that wasn't Judeo-Christian was simply disguised Satanism, lead to a lot of cultural objects being destroyed. (Note that this belief persists to the present day in some quarters, and plays a role in the idea that things like Harry Potter and Dungeons and Dragons are Satanic.)

Note that there are some freestanding totem poles, although not many. Of course, being fairly remarkable objects, they were at risk of being stolen.

Anyway, to be "low man on the totem pole" is to be considered low status, or otherwise unimportant. Which, as Lord Fellgrin pointed out, is backwards. (Which I know, but that's the way the phrase is used.)

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