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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:31 pm 
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I believe chimera is a magical creation, so others could be created if a sufficiently powerful spellcaster felt like it.

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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:29 am 
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Odisseus wrote:
I presume that they don't breed, either because of biology limitations, or because of lack of appropriate mating partners. Otherwise, there would be populations, communities, and, with some time, even cities of Driders. They would lose their status as strange and rare horrors, and become yet another nonhuman race, just a bit creepier than the average (compare with Tolkien orcs who originate of magically warped elves).
By the way, the same thing applies to Chimera, Sphinx, maybe Minotaur and possibly some other unique creatures...

Ahem. Sphinx and Minotaur are reproducing, by the way...

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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:29 pm 
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And I can't help wondering how. Yes, I know the answer will be 'magic'. But what could their child look like? Moreover, it's unclear whether the Minotaur is unique, but the Sphinx certainly is. She was designed and created to serve one purpose -- guard the tomb. Why would her creator give her ability to reproduce? First, there aren't, and should never be, any other, including male, sphinxes. Second, if she somehow managed to successfully mate with something else (as apparently is the case), the result would be a number of half-sphinx-half-something creatures with totally unpredictable looks, moods and behaviours. As a software developer (albeit novice) I have to say that this feature was both totally useless, extremely unwise and potentially very, very dangerous (I doubt that her offsprings would also be obliged to guard the tomb). And I presume that there exist no 'wands of create sphinx', and therefore her creator should be quite an intelligent person, intelligent enough to foresee the possible outcomes.


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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:42 pm 
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Sphinx guard things, that's what they do. She was likely magically bound to guard that specific place but I doubt she was actually created as chimera was.

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Odisseus wrote:
And I can't help wondering how. Yes, I know the answer will be 'magic'. But what could their child look like? Moreover, it's unclear whether the Minotaur is unique, but the Sphinx certainly is. She was designed and created to serve one purpose -- guard the tomb. Why would her creator give her ability to reproduce? First, there aren't, and should never be, any other, including male, sphinxes. Second, if she somehow managed to successfully mate with something else (as apparently is the case), the result would be a number of half-sphinx-half-something creatures with totally unpredictable looks, moods and behaviours. As a software developer (albeit novice) I have to say that this feature was both totally useless, extremely unwise and potentially very, very dangerous (I doubt that her offsprings would also be obliged to guard the tomb). And I presume that there exist no 'wands of create sphinx', and therefore her creator should be quite an intelligent person, intelligent enough to foresee the possible outcomes.


According to TV Tropes, I go on and on when it comes to this subject, but I feel I ought to address the issue here.

You are making a few assumptions about various species in a fantasy world. Specifically, that certain creatures were "created" and are not species in their own right.

I put it to you that the Sphynx (as I have come to deliberately misspell it), is a *summoned* guardian creature rather than a *created* one. My resource for this one is the old 2nd Edition AD&D gamebooks where the Sphinxes clearly belong to a set of 'races' that have a wild, natural state as well as being occasionally summoned to guard duty.
They are broken into a few subraces:
The one that appears in YAFGC is a Gynosphynx. A lion body with eagle wings and a woman's chest and head. The male counterpart to the Gynosphynx is the Androsphynx. Andros have more leonine manes and heads with human faces. Andros are more inclined to violence while Gynos are more intelligent and fascinated with riddles and puzzles. There are also Criosphynxes, which are goat-headed sphynxes and Hieracosphynxes which have eagle heads. These two appear to be species of their own, but can also mate with Gynosphynxes. Producing what, I'm not sure. Presumably either more of their own kind or Gynosphynxes.

In the real world these kinds of pairings are either impossible or, rarely, produce sterile hybrids. But this is magic and fantasy. Science is optional and usually intrusive.

The minotaur of Greek Mythology is a unique being. A cursed man who was once normal looking and got the head of a bull. "The Bull of Minos" lived in a labyrinth and was miserable. In YAFGC (as in AD&D) the Minotaurs are a race with males, females, a tribal community, etc. I'm not sure if I ever outright made that clear in YAFGC but there are things that will come out in the future that will. Turg has a mother, father and brothers who are also Minotaurs.

How can a Minotaur and a Sphynx reproduce??? Well, as I showed in the strip at the end of the "Reflections in the Sand" story, they have access to polymorph magic and have been taking turns being both Sphynxes or both Minotaurs (and possibly other things). According to the "Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" (an unofficial fan-compiled set of AD&D sex-related source material), this magic can allow creatures to procreate. AS THE SPECIES THEY WERE SHAPED AS WHEN MATING. So, one presumes, that if I were to strictily adhere to the book, when those Sphynx eggs hatch, the babies will be Sphynxes.

I did draw some MinoSphynx babies for a reader at the last Hal Con, but I am still undecided about how their children will appear.

As for the Chimera: Summoned or created? Well, he says he was summoned and the Dragons call him the eternal guardian. He's been around a long time, or at least, they believe he's not going away any time soon. And we do see a female one. I'm not one who will generally toss away details like that lightly. Again, according the the old AD&D resources, Chimerae are a species, though perhaps created magically originally, they do breed and exist in 'the wild'.

For myself I haven't yet explored that particular detail of his origin story and have some things still undecided. But it's clear to me that while Chimera isn't entirely unique they are rare enough that even HE doesn't know if there are others. It could be that others have made Chimerae and at least one of them is female for some reason. Female and with the head order reversed. Maybe she's the bride of the monster, made specifically for him? Maybe. We'll see. Someday.

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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:05 am 
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Beholder King wrote:

According to TV Tropes, I go on and on when it comes to this subject, but I feel I ought to address the issue here.


You read my entry on TVTropes?! Yay! It was meant as a good thing, BK, we love listening to you go on like this.

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For myself I haven't yet explored that particular detail of his origin story and have some things still undecided. But it's clear to me that while Chimera isn't entirely unique they are rare enough that even HE doesn't know if there are others. It could be that others have made Chimerae and at least one of them is female for some reason. Female and with the head order reversed. Maybe she's the bride of the monster, made specifically for him? Maybe. We'll see. Someday.

Didn't you have chimera say in the ask the characters thread he was created by a wizard?

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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:34 am 
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Actually I have very little knowledge of D&D, hence the questions you may have considered stupid. Thank you for the explanation.


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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:27 am 
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and now to get back on the rails:
why is nephilia said to be the best looking if anancy looks better than her? :p

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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
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timemonkey wrote:
Didn't you have chimera say in the ask the characters thread he was created by a wizard?


Possibly. I'd have to go back and check, mind you. It's been nearly 6 years and I've written and said a *lot*. Sometimes when I've had a certain idea about something that may or may not have changed since.

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You read my entry on TVTropes?! Yay! It was meant as a good thing, BK, we love listening to you go on like this.


Absolutely I read it! In fact I've got all my TV Tropes pages bookmarked and check up on them from time to time. It's exciting having pages up about my stuff! Thank you!

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Actually I have very little knowledge of D&D, hence the questions you may have considered stupid. Thank you for the explanation.


I never said or thought your questions or statements were stupid. I'm just informing you how my cosmology works.

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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:06 am 
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It's taking all my willpower not to fill in the entire Characters section by myself. Seeing it so incomplete trips my fanboy OCD but I need to sleep occasionally.

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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
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Rhenaya wrote:
and now to get back on the rails:
why is nephilia said to be the best looking if anancy looks better than her? :p

well, a) beauty is subjective; i for example find Nephilia more feminine b) the story is narrated by Anancy, so this could be her look on things and c) in case you were just joking, consider i answered something very witty :na:.

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 Post subject: Re: Anancy
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:08 am 
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well i still like anancys face more :p and hope we will see more of the living with the vamp-gut-thingie ^^

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