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 Post subject: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:21 pm 
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In the ComixBlog comments section, Julia Spindleshanks said:
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Hey everybody. I can't belive that the doctor regenerates this season!!! I LOVE David Tennant. But like all doctors our favourite must pass. My friend is giving me the episiode so I can see it. I hope he isn't ugly, and he will never replace the 10th Doctor for me. So far I have only seen one episode and it's on sundays and I go out on Sundays so i have to record it and watch it after i come home from school. I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!!!!! I HAVE TO SEE HIM REGENERATE NOW!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH! IT'S DRIVING ME INSANE!!! But I suppose I can wait.

But if he regenerates won't that stuff up the comic and you can't put anymore new assistants in Rich. One complication after another. Have fun. :)


My answer: Hey, it doesn't change the comic at all. From the 10th Doctor's viewpoint, it's set between "The Runaway Bride" and "Smith & Jones". Just because there were other Doctors after Peter Davison doesn't mean that "The Five Doctors" was no longer valid. It's all relative to it's own time.
And for the record, I don't believe for an instant that David Tennant is going to be replaced. They'l lfind some way to stop the regeneration or reverse it or something. I think at most we may get a temporary 11th Doctor. Look at the cast! Torchwood, UNIT, Sarah Jane, the Doctor, Davros, the Daleks, all of them have time travel capability. Heck, Dalek Caan might save the Doctor, he's crazy enough! If there were going to be a new Doctor, we'd have heard about it ages ago. They can't keep that secret.

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 Post subject: Re: "The Stolen Earth"
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:28 am 
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I agree. I'm thinking the "hand" may have something to do with it. They've been forshadowing the "hand" through most of the season. Watch it just before the ever popular "shine" of the on-coming regeneration.

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 Post subject: Re: "The Stolen Earth"
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 Post subject: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:53 pm 
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I'm declaring this thread to be the neutral zone on the board. All discussion of the finale, what wasn't in the finale, repercussions thereof, companion wank, speculation, spoilers - all of it goes here. Spoiler bars are NOT REQUIRED in this thread, because we can safely assume that it is all spoilers, all the time.

Anyone posting about the finale in a different thread *without* using spoiler bars will be given a system warning. Three warnings will lead to a temporary ban. Anyone bitching about spoilers posted in this thread will be laughed at, with potential for public mockery and derision.

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 Post subject: Re: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
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On the ComixBlog news post, Justin said:

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A little while ago you posted a link that showed that the Ten Doctors comic was given a proper review on the web. Though the review had mostly praise to heap on you Rich (and rightly so!) it also had what I felt to be quite a cheap shot about how you attempt to juggle so many characters and different plot threads.

I am assuming that you have already seen "the stolen planet" so I was wondering if you feel somewhat vindicated by the fact that Russel T. Davies does EXACTLY THE SAME THING in it, at least in his use of supporting characters that have been threaded through out 'new who'.
I really felt that that the episode had a very "Ten Doctors" feel to it - especially certain parts **trying to keep spoiler free** which seemed like they could have come straight from your story. I suppose this just serves as a true testament to your skills!
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 Post subject: Re: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
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A little while ago you posted a link that showed that the Ten Doctors comic was given a proper review on the web. Though the review had mostly praise to heap on you Rich (and rightly so!) it also had what I felt to be quite a cheap shot about how you attempt to juggle so many characters and different plot threads.

I am assuming that you have already seen "the stolen planet" so I was wondering if you feel somewhat vindicated by the fact that Russel T. Davies does EXACTLY THE SAME THING in it, at least in his use of supporting characters that have been threaded through out 'new who'.
I really felt that that the episode had a very "Ten Doctors" feel to it - especially certain parts **trying to keep spoiler free** which seemed like they could have come straight from your story. I suppose this just serves as a true testament to your skills!
Great work!


Goodness, thank you!
You know what I think,though, is that "The Stolen Earth" suffered a bit from what I was accused of. It was a bit clunky, trying to jam all those great fun characters into a single hour of viewing (two, I guess, if we count tomorrow night's episode). One hour episode format tends to make Doctor Who a little claustrophobic, I find. I'm so used to the old 2 to 6 part serials that I find the new episodes to be paced a little frenetically, which suits David Tennant well, I suppose. He is forced to run like hell a lot and shout. I could stand to see a little less shouting. He's hard to understand when he's running around screaming his head off.

As for my comic being clunky? I have no problem accepting that. It's pretty complex. It's pretty stuffed full of cameos, subplots and wackiness. It wasn't meant to be streamlined. It was meant to give me a chance to draw the ultimate Doctor Who comic. The fact that so many people are reading AND ENJOYING it is a definate bonus. That some of you are able to follow it... well, that's pretty much a miracle. :D

Now. About "The Stolen Earth". Davros, awsome. It was great to see him again, and so well rendered. Like everything else, true to the original and improved believably.
HOWEVER....

The last time we saw Davros, he was in a white eggcup. He had no hand. It was shot off by Orcini of the Order of Oberon in "Revelation of the Daleks". Did the Daleks go back in time and bring him foreward to be emperor BEFORE Revelation? For a show that's been so careful about maintaining continuity from the classic series, this seems to me to be a bit of a booboo. Unless we get some explanation in the finale tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:06 pm 
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To me that hand looked artificial. Kind of looks like he decided that having a hand was probably a good idea after all, and had the Daleks build him a new one some time after Remembrance.
Otherwise, it makes sense to me that the producers would want to go for more of a classic Davros look rather than a head in an eggcup that can't do much more than slide around and shout.
I have no idea how much time passed for Davros between Remembrance and the start of the Time War. Caan went back to a time early in the war, when Davros' ship was presumed lost. At least, I think that's more or less what they said.

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 Post subject: Re: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
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Yeah. I think that since Davros was "lost" early. Then it's very possable that the Emperor Dalek may have been after that. Especialy when you consider that the Emperor got his god complex "rebuilding" the Dalek fleet.

However,if the lone Dalek, Caan, managed to bust through the "time lock". Then it sounds like the writers (Or RTD as a parting shot), are leaving the door open for the possable return of other past enemies. Or even (dare I say it?) the return of the Time Lords, themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:24 am 
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captshade wrote:
if the lone Dalek, Caan, managed to bust through the "time lock". Then it sounds like the writers (Or RTD as a parting shot), are leaving the door open for the possable return of other past enemies. Or even (dare I say it?) the return of the Time Lords, themselves.


Agreed. I think it's a definite possibility, even a probability that the Time War's been "unlocked" to allow the return of the Timelords. If not Gallifrey itself, maybe the odd Timelord will slip thru. Romana maybe, or The Rani?

I adore Dalek Caan! The concept of a crazy Dalek is brilliant, and even tho at first he reminded me of Bluebottle from The Goon Show, soon I was chomping at the bit for his next appearance!

For the record, I also think the regenaration will go wrong and we'll be left with two Doctors, either two 10s, or 10 and 11 running around.


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 Post subject: Re: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
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Perhaps that's what Davros needs the planets for? To make some kind of colossal time key to unlock the Last Great Time War so he can win this time?

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 Post subject: Re: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
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I was just watching Stolen Earth again, and noticed a little detail that I got a kick out of:
Harriet Jones tells the assembled cast that her subwave program was created by "the Mr Copper Foundation." Remember him from Voyage of the Damned?

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 Post subject: Re: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
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To me that hand looked artificial. Kind of looks like he decided that having a hand was probably a good idea after all, and had the Daleks build him a new one some time after Remembrance.
Otherwise, it makes sense to me that the producers would want to go for more of a classic Davros look rather than a head in an eggcup that can't do much more than slide around and shout.
I have no idea how much time passed for Davros between Remembrance and the start of the Time War. Caan went back to a time early in the war, when Davros' ship was presumed lost. At least, I think that's more or less what they said.

It was an artificial hand I believe they mention it in the confidential.


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I agree. I'm thinking the "hand" may have something to do with it. They've been forshadowing the "hand" through most of the season. Watch it just before the ever popular "shine" of the on-coming regeneration.


I saw Journey's End on Youtube yesterday since I live in America, I was happy to see that he didn't Regenerate and that the hand finally got to show it's true purpose. To tell the truth the cliffhanger gave me nightmares about the regeneration, I couldn't wait for the next episode. Now it's over and Rose got her man, even if it isn't the one she wanted. I was also happy to hear that the Doctor #2 was 'half-human' due to the biological metacrisis with Donna meaning the original Doctor wasn't half-human.


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 Post subject: Re: Finale Discussion: Stolen Earth/Journey's End SPOILERS
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Saw Journey's End on Youtube, and I...

I just don't know what to feel anymore. That was packed with so many emotions that everything's just kind of numb, I guess. And...wow. I had heard somewhere that Piper was going to come back for season five, but...guess not. But you know what's the weirdest thing with the clone? The shirt. It really, really looks like he's stolen one of Nine's jumpers, doesn't it? I guess the (real) Doctor meant it when he said that it was like when they first met...hmm. I'm still not sure how to feel about that whole setup. I mean...that's a lot of bittersweet. I don't know whether to start sobbing or go, "Aw, how lovely!" I suppose I've always been an emotional sap. Tch.

I was so impressed with Davros. The acting was superb. I was really leery when I heard early season rumors of Davros coming back, but man, they pulled it off! If they hadn't gotten an excellent actor, it wouldn't have worked well at all. But he was excellent in my opinion.
Also, Davros has a really good memory, recognizing Sarah Jane and all. Who would have thought he paid that much attention to the human captives? Would he have recognized Harry? Actually, if memory serves, she had the most awesome pair of red boots in Genesis of the Daleks...I was jealous of her boots. Did those boots survive the giant attack land oysters? I can't remember.

And Gwen. If it was just a matter of reusing an actress, it wouldn't mean anything. Factor in the same hair, the same name, and the same location...I'm really quite surprised they never did anything with that before. Maybe it'll mean something in the future. Probably not, they way they throw away potential plotlines without a second glance. Like Bad Wolf. I thought that they were finally going to put it to use again, but...huh. I mean, they went through all that trouble with the last scene of Turn Left, and then they...forgot about it, or something. It's so annoying.

Greeeeaaaaat, we get to look forward to the Doctor in full angst mode next season. Who's going to be the companion? Better be another platonic one, or so help me...


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Boy...Did I call the "hand" playing a part, or what? I just didn't reilse how big of a part...A whole Doctor, even.

Loved the continuity, with Sara Jane. Though I wish the Doctor would quit messing with Jack's TVM. And what a way to end...Poor Donna! And what a set-up for replacing Tosh, and Owen. This is a spoiler zone, so I hope I'm not saying to much.

Anyone notice the "no one saw Davros actualy die" thing, happen again? Though, I have to ask...How many times are they going to "utterly destroy" the Daleks, before people stop believing it.

And if there's a breach in the time lock...What else is going to come through?

I hope we see more past companions. I'm sure there are more who still look similar, to what they were.

And as far as the Christmas preview (it was at the end of the credits, so I'm assuming it's free to speak of it)...Are we ever going to see Mondas Cybermen? Or are we only ever going to have the Cybus ones, from alternate Earth?

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