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 Post subject: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:47 pm 
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Turn Left showed how one seemingly small action had major consequences on the Whoniverse, but there are a couple I've noticed that would have even worse effects:

If the Sycorax Leader hadn't chopped off the Doctor's hand...
- Captain Jack would've never found it, meaning it wouldn't have alerted him of the Doctor's presence in Cardiff, and with no Jack on the cling to send it to Malacassiro, the Master would've been stuck as Yana at the end of reality and the whole Saxon affair would've never happened.
- The Doctor would've regenerated into his eleventh incarnation when struck by the dalek with no hand to convert the energy into.
- Donna and the TARDIS would've been destroyed with no meta-crisis occuring.
- And the whole multiverse would've been destroyed with no DoctorDonna to stop the reality bomb. Oh dear.

If Mickey had pressed the right button on the console...
- The TARDIS would never have caused a fracture in the void and travelled to Pete's World, leaving it to be converted entirely into Cybermen. On the bright side, Mickey would've stayed. But then, he wouldn't be 'action man'.
- With no fracture to travel through, the Cult of Skaro and following cybermen would never have crossed into our universe, meaning Canary Wharf wouldn't have happened and Rose would've stayed with the Doctor.
- With no Caan to ETS into the Time War, Davros wouldn't have been saved and the whole reality bomb and stolen planets would never have happened.

So, the multiverse was saved by the Sycorax and most of the series' build-up was Mickey's fault. :p

Anyone else got any alternate timelines to share?


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 Post subject: Re: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:10 am 
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Off of the top of my head lets think about these changes in the timeline.

What would have happened if the Doctor had gotten into the Tardis and dematerialized before susan's teachers had entered. That could have happened if Ian and Barbara had gone for a policeman.

What would have happened if the 4th Doctor had connected the wires in Genesis of the Daleks? Imagine the universe without Daleks and who or what would have filled that void as number one adversary.

What about this scenario. What if Roger Delgado had not been killed in a car accident. Then the this umade story would hae been done:
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The Final Game

The Third Doctor's final story was to be The Final Game by Robert Sloman. The story was to feature the Master, and to reveal that he and the Doctor were two aspects of the same individual: the Doctor being the ego - the intellectual part - while the Master was the id - the instinctive, violent part. The story was to end with the Master dying in a manner which suggested that he was trying to save the Doctor's life. However, the actor who played the Master, Roger Delgado, was killed in a car accident in Turkey mid-1973, forcing the scrapping of the story. The story was replaced by Planet of the Spiders.


That except is taken from Wikipedia. Imagine the change to the serial in which the Master no longer lives.

I am sure there are other left turn scenarios but I will have to give more thought and checking to confirm what I might be remembering wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:25 am 
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To be fair, Mickey did press the correct button, the Doctor told him to press it till the Doctor told him to stop, which should have been 30seconds or a minute, and then he forgot to tell Mickey to stop so Mickey pressed it for 20 minutes till the Doctor noticed he'd forgotten to stop it. So that adventure was the Doctor's fault.

Also the Cult of Skaro hid out in the Void to cover their bases in the event the Time War didnt end up with a daleks winning, so they got out on their own. They created the crack between the universes and it was their fault the Cybermen of Cybus got into the Doctor's universe. Mickey did press the prison ship to allow them to let daleks out, but the Doctor said the daleks would have destroyed the sun?? to open it, so just as well.

As for the Sycorax, true up to a point - the Master would have been doomed and Jack wouldn't have caught him when he did - tho he would have met with him, and eventually met Martha and Donna, in Stolen Earth, thanks to Harriet Jones.
If the Doctor regenerated into his 11th self, Donna would and the rest would have been hiding him somewhere, and they all would have left the tardis if captured. So, in whatever new way the universe would have been saved, Donna would have been part of it.* -I think the universe would have been saved just because Davros wouldnt be content to let a regeneration sick Doctor be helplessly unaware of the doom of the universe, he'd have delayed things enough for the companions to drive wedges in and the Doctor to stop him.

(*She was only trapped in the tardis because the events surrounding the metacrisis caused the tardis to keep her in the ship - it shut the doors on her and wouldnt let her out, so that she could create the Doctors Donnas and save the tardis)
But there was a good chance the tardis would have been destroyed, whatever happened to the universe (unless they convinced Davros to wait till the Doctor awake enough to be aware of that too) - and we only definately know the universe was saved with Donna Doctor around to take control of the Dalek ship lab.

So, Sycorax man, thank you for that jedi move! It was better this way, we're pretty sure <g> :cheerleader:


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 Post subject: Re: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:35 am 
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I think the big one is...If Adric had chickened out, and not ran back onto the bridge of the freighter. It would not have gone back in time. Meaning...No death to the Dinos...No rise of the Human race...No Pharos Project to reverse the Master's futzing up of Logopolis...Entropy consumes the universe!

Being that the TARDIS is in a state of temporal grace, Tegan would still be around, with the Doctor, Nyssa, and the still alive Adric, to watch the universe slowly disappear...Them with it. And don't go talking paradoxs. One that big would cause the whole universe to go boom, anyway. So it comes down to either a slow, or a quick death.

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 Post subject: Re: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:02 am 
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Another "Turn Left" moment is if Aunt Vanessa's car tyre in Logopolis had not been punctured, & Tegan Jovanka had arrived at Heathrow, on time for her flight, & as a result, never met the 4th Doctor...
A "nastier" alt-timeline could have happened at the very end of Keeper of Traken, in that Nyssa gets adsorbed by the Master, rather than Tremas, thus increasing the "shock value", in that during Logopolis, the 4th Doctor receives a message from Tremas concerning his missing daughter...
But would Anthony Ainley have worked as a Companion of The Doctor, rather than a Nemesis/Adversary to him...?
Also how would audiences have reacted to a psychopathic, & possibly schitzophrenic, Female Master, played by Sarah Sutton...?

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 Post subject: Re: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:29 pm 
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A "Psycho Nyssa" is a truly scary thing...You should visit "This Time Round".

http://www.ttrarchive.com/

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 Post subject: Re: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:21 pm 
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The only one I can think of right now is "What if the Doctor never left Gallifrey?" but that's fairly obvious. And Big Finish have already done it as their Doctor Who Unbound series. :oops:

How about "What if whatever the Doctor had done to the Master back at the academy didn't happen and they were firm friends instead of mortal enemies?"

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 Post subject: Re: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:29 pm 
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Actually according to BBC they barely knew each other at the Acadamy, and that's why 1 didnt recognize the Master in the 5 Doctors but 3 did. The friendship and falling out happened sometime after Hartnell's reign.

The bit about Tegan not needing a flat change is interesting - none of that Kinda or whatever-the-sequal-was would have happened- not my favorite eps <g> so no loss there for me, without the death of the aunt, the Doctor might not have realized the Master was around - tho he'd be high on the suspect list with the Tardis turnaround, so maybe things would have been rearranged slightly in Logopolis. But with the Watcher out rescuing Nyssa - why else would he have removed Nyssa from her home planet but that he sensed her searching for the Master put her in danger..unless it was that whole 'destroying her section of the universe thing' :scream: but...other than the fact the Doctor wouldnt have someone to flirt and argue with, I'm not sure how much would have changed.


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 Post subject: Re: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:57 am 
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captshade wrote:
A "Psycho Nyssa" is a truly scary thing...You should visit "This Time Round".

http://www.ttrarchive.com/

Needless to say, Captshade, I bookmarked that site on my browser a long time ago...
As for the Sutton Master, I was thinking more of Miss Sutton reprising the role of Belinda (her first T.V role) from the now sadly wiped Menace story "Boys & Girls Go Out To Play", in which she plays a murderous pre-teen drug addict, personality wise, rather than TTR's "Psycho Nyssa"...

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 Post subject: Re: Other 'Turn Left' Scenarios
PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 3:01 am 
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I figured you might have browsed that particular site...

Being from the U.S., I sadly never saw that particular show. Would have been interesting to see our lovely Ms. Sutton in that kind of role.

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